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The Berserker Brawl - Pools E & F[edit | edit source]

Central
Welcome, everyone, to the continuation of the Berserker Brawl tournament!
Tonight, we'll get to see the gladiators from pool E, F, G and H facing off against each other, looking to stay alive in this competiton.
And in order to start on a high note... First up, we've got a battle between two old partners!
The circus is back in town as "The Magician" Hisoka takes on "Clown of Fate" Potemkin!
And what else could you expect from this one other than-
...Is there something underneath the table?
???
GAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Power
IT'S POWER! I HAVE RETURNED!
You thought you could get rid of me that easily, didn't you?
However, this tournament needs my beauty and expertise! Gyahahahahaha!
Central
You again?
Well, I don't have a problem with this myself, but...
Is the "commentator" role listed on your contract?
Power
Contract? As if I'd ever make a contract with a puny human!
I do whatever I want to do! 'Tis simple!
Central
Sure... But this better not lead to any legal troubles later...
Anyway, moving on! On our second match, we've got a TFR Special:
Big meaty men slapping meat! Don't you love to see it?
The "Boss of this Ring" Aniki will be having a hard-fought contest against "The Unbreakable General" Rando!
Power
Can I get a cool nickname too?
I've thought up a few: "The Game, The King of Kings, The Cerebral Assassin, The Creat-"
Central
...Are you sure you didn't get those from somewhere else?
Power
Hm? No! My creative genius came up with them just now! 'Tis the truth!
Central
Well... Enjoy our card for the night, everyone!
Power
Hey! How about "The Indomitus Rex, The Lord of Lords, The Terror that Rises, The Punisher of Pissants, The Destroyer..."

Pool E-1: The Circus is Back in Town[edit | edit source]

  1. 'The Magician' Hisoka
  2. 'Clown of Fate' Potemkin
Iconic Match
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Singles

Hisoka Winner

Not only fucking squashed, but PERFECT'd without Potemkin landing a single blow.

Pool E-2: Boss of the Wasteland[edit | edit source]

  1. 'Boss of this Ring' Aniki
  2. 'The Unbreakable General' Rando
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Singles

Rando Winner

Very good match.

Pool F-1: Serious Planning[edit | edit source]


"The Lone Wolf of Infamy", Colombo Spice

Colombo
So... About that interference in my title match...

"The Man with a Plan", Dutch van der Linde

Dutch
You're welcome.
Colombo
Figured it was related to you.
I thought I told you to stay out of my business?
The Lone Wolf of Infamy accepts nobody's help.
Dutch
Don't you finally understand? This isn't about "accepting", kid. I know you're young, but you still need to learn a few things.
My boys don't "accept" anything. They impose their will over the weak.
And you know it, better than anyone, that you fit right in with us.
Colombo
Listen. I'm a bad guy, and I'm not ashamed to say it.
We seem to be cut of the same cloth, sure. But I'm still not happy with this.
Dutch
You got your title, didn't you? Momentum shifted around as soon as Papillon helped you out.
In a world where rules only exist to dominate us and to keep us down, we need to rebel against them. And this is how we do it.
We're all wolves, but we can be wolves in a pack. And everyone out there can be our prey.
Colombo
I think I might see where you're coming from, old man...
Dutch
That kid, Papillon... And Red, as well. They made a wise decision. Now it's up to you.
But hey, why don't I make things a little bit easier?
To prove how "serious" I am about this, if you beat your opponent, Sam, in your match tonight, and I get myself a 3-count, as well...
Colombo
Then we're up against each other, isn't that right?
Dutch
Right, but also... Wrong.
If that happens, I'll abdicate of my spot on the tournament, giving you a free path to the finals.
This should be enough proof to you.
And in case you do make it there... We're gonna make sure you end up victorious.
Colombo
And how would you do that?
Dutch
Just trust the plan, kid.
Colombo
I see... Seems like things just got easy, huh?
I'll crush anyone who stands in my way.
Dutch
Don't be too confident at this time. Your opponent is not one to joke about. He's a "serious" threat.
And mine isn't a pushover, either... "The Ashen Cavalier", Rean Schwarzer... "The Mean Rean Machine"...
He looks like the kind of opponent that could put an end to an entire plan by himself.
Colombo
Focus on doing your job, then. I sure as hell will do mine.
Dutch
Looks like we have a deal.

  1. 'Serious' Sam Stone
  2. 'The Lone Wolf of Infamy' Colombo Spice
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Singles

Colombo Spice Winner

Pool F-2: Rerailing this Plan[edit | edit source]

  1. 'The Ashen Chevalier' Rean Schwarzer
  2. 'The Man with a Plan' Dutch van der Linde
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • No-DQ

📷Gallery
Dutch van der Linde Winner

Dutch pulled out a fucking KNIFE to win the match, his plan all along with the no-DQ typing...

Extra Chores[edit | edit source]


"One-Two-Tre", Extra

Extra
Rough day at work. Having to go straight from a match to a 12-hour shift on my second job sure is tiresome.
But hey... I won! Mr. HUNK told me everything I needed to know to become a better man, and it worked out!
I bet he'll be really proud next time we see each other.
Gotta catch some sleep first, though.
Wait, right! The chores!
Before I can go to bed I need to...
Wash the dishes.
Clean the litter box.
Take out the trash.
Sweep the floor.
Do laundry.
Mow the lawn.
Water the plants.
Give the cats a bath.
Feed the cats.
Do Grocery Shopping.
Make dinner.
Clean the bathroom.
...I think I forgot a few things.
It's fine, though... Once I get back in that ring with Mr. HUNK, it'll all be worth it!
Well, better get things rolling fast...
...Finally, I can have some time to rest...
Setting up my alarm, let's see... Two hours from now...

"The Hothead Nightmare", Red

Red
Ugh, FUCK, dammit... SHIT!
Extra
Red? What's up, did anything happen?
Red
Shut up. Don't wanna talk about it.
Extra
Right, you lost your match, didn't you? I'm sorry. Hey, if you want some help I could talk with Mr.-
Red
No, don't even bring that name up! Besides, I'm the NEW HUNK, not that loser!
Extra
Sure... Uh, could you please leave your boots at the entrance? They're kinda dirty and I just clea-
Red
What are you, my dad?!
Wait...
Ugh! I came home just to, you know, wind down for a bit and you didn't even make my bed?
What have you been doing all day? Watching those weird hand videos?
Extra
Actually, I...
Red
I know how you can make up for it, though!
Why don't we go grab a bite at my favorite place tomorrow night?
...Not like I want to be wined and dined... It's just that, uh, it's lame to go to a restaurant alone, y'know...
Extra
I eat alone pretty often, actually.
But yeah, I... Actually have to clean up the local indie fed's locker rooms tomorrow, after my shift...
They promised they'd pay me a few cents more so I gotta make sure I give it my all!
Red
...Whatever, then... Going out with you w-would be pretty awful for my public image anyway...
See you tomorrow, I guess?
Extra
I hope so. If I can get home before 3AM that'd be great!

TFR Tag-Team Championship: Assassinating The Pokemon League[edit | edit source]

  1. The Agents of PayneAgent 47 & Max Payne
  2. Champions PsychoakProfessor Oak & Regigigas
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Championship: TFR Titles
  • Tag-Team

Elimination By
Max Payne Regigigas
Psychoak Winner

The Berserker Brawl - Pools G & H[edit | edit source]

Central
And coming off that amazing clash for the prestigious Tag Team Titles, we're looking into the next pool of our tournament!
"The Clayman", Wayne, still looking to establish himself here in TFR, takes on none other than "The Main Event", Sinbad!
Power
Aaaah, come on now! Why do you guys keep having the main event this early?
Does anyone out there know how this works? The main event is supposed to go last!
Central
Power, that's just his-
Power
Who booked this crap? I should become Prime Minister of TFR! I could do way better than this! Gahahahahahaha!
Central
...Afterwards, "American Hero", Carlos will go one-on-one with "The Rat", Richter.
Let's take a look at what's going on backstage as "The Rat" is getting ready for his match!

"The Sadistic Thug", V

V
I sure fucked that cop up real good, huh?
My neck is in bad shape right now, but nothing a couple doses won't do, heh. Doc gonna be working twice as hard this week.
And you better do the same, you lazy shit. I can't be the one carrying this group on my back all the fucking time.

"The Rat", Richter

Richter
...Can I go home after my match?
V
Only if you win it. Actually, why the fuck are you asking me that? Go talk to the boss or something. I'm not your babysitter!
Richter
Guess that's what I gotta do...
Man, I bet those guys at AEW have it easy.
Maybe I should apply for some backstage role there.
V
Maybe you could wipe their toilets with your tongue.
Richter
...No choice other than wrestling... I get it...

Pool G-1: The Clay Event[edit | edit source]

  1. 'The Main Event' Sinbad
  2. 'The Clayman' Wayne
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Singles

Wayne Winner

Pool G-2: The All-American Workout[edit | edit source]

  1. 'The Rat' Richter
  2. 'American Hero' Third Carlos
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Singles

📷Gallery
Third Godlos Winner

Pool H-1: Coolsville Throat-Cutting Match[edit | edit source]

Central
They're finally here! The final pool of the Berserker Brawl tournament!
First, "The Mixed Martial Arts Master", Kido Reiji, a real supernova, has arrived on TFR!
And he'll be looking to put a early end to "Thick Skin", Manny Pardo's run here tonight!
Afterwards, we've got a war between kingdoms, as the "Mad King", Spazz Maticus takes on "The King of Kings", Lucid!
Power
"The King of Kings?" Did he just steal the nickname I came up with?
I knew I shouldn't have said it out loud!
Central
...Well, you can think about a different name later, because it seems like the next match is about to start!
Let's take a peek backstage.
Power
...I got it! How about "The Cagist"?
Pardo
You know, they say you've got some real potential...
Would be good if a young man like you managed to develop it to its full extent, you know?
Heard you have some bad habits, though.
Reiji
...
Pardo
Wandering around alone at night like a delinquent, getting into fights with people...
That might put an early end to your career... Maybe even your life.
You know the Coolsville Cutthroat is out there, right?
Reiji
And what does that have to do with me?
Pardo
You never know when you're gonna cross paths with a psycho like that.
Your fists are a gift, boy. Use them wisely.
Not a fan of that underground fighting thing, but if you dedicate yourself to the sport, you can make it big one day.
Reiji
You don't know me...
If some Coolsville Cockhead tried anything funny on my watch, they'd be down and out before they even knew it.
Pardo
Don't say I didn't warn you...
Reiji
Why don't you shut the hell up?
Think you're gonna scare me away or something? I'm not falling for that.
Better yet, I'll give you a real horror story to talk about after tonight!

  1. 'Thick Skin' Manny Pardo
  2. 'The Mixed Martial Arts Master' Kido Reiji
Iconic Match
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Extreme Rules

Manny Pardo Winner

Pool H-2: Showdown of Kings[edit | edit source]

  1. 'The Mad King' Spazz Maticus
  2. 'The King of Kings' Lucid
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Singles

📷Gallery
Lucid Winner
Count-out Note

Spazz fell asleep and forgot to return to the ring.

Wesker Ain't Ballin[edit | edit source]


"The Mastermind", Albert Wesker

Wesker
Dammit, I can't seem to hit my shots at all anymore!
And I can't even dunk...
But Rebecca... And the others... They're all invited for my party today! What am I gonna do?
And I can't even dunk...
W-Well... Maybe I can do this some other way?
My new hair looks great at least, doesn't it? Maybe I don't need melanin after all!
No! Don't go!
...They'll be arriving anytime now! What do I do?
Wait! Vorgin...
Vorgin! Open the door!

"Bigger And Better", Vorgin

Vorgin
Fuck off, Dad! I'm not letting you in!
Wesker
Your hat! I need it, right now! I'll give it back later!
Vorgin
First, they took away my belt. Now, my hat too? No way!
Wesker
Come on now! You've been locked in your room crying for a entire week! Let it go already!
Vorgin
Fuck you! You don't get my struggles... I'm not bad to the bone anymore...
Wesker
They'll be here anytime, just let me in and-

"Alpha", Chris Redfield

Chris
Wesker?
Wesker
CHRISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
Chris
Where did the hair go?
Wesker
G-Good question! I'm just, uh, trying out a new look! I can grow it back in no time!
Chris
Frosted tips and everything? Well, about the party...
Wesker
Y-Yeah! It's, uh, about to start! I'm just waiting for everyone else to arrive and-
Chris
There's no everyone else. That's what I came to tell you.
Wesker
What? And... And what about Rebecca?
Chris
Basketball playoffs are underway, did you forget?
Turns out they all got VIP tickets to Balthios's game.
I still don't have a contender for my world title, so I figured I could stop by for an old friend.
Wesker
B-But... But I told them I could dunk and shoot better than any pro in the world!
Chris
Maybe they didn't believe it. Can you?
Wesker
Of course I can! Watch this!
Chris
Ohohohohoho... Ahahahahahahahaha!
Wesker
C-Chris? S-Stop it!
Chris
Wesker... You're pitiful!

Grandest AEW Opening[edit | edit source]

  1. Zag "5'0" reus is #AllElite
  2. Ushiromiya Battler is #AllElite
  3. Steve Burnside is #AllElite
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Stage: AEW Arena
  • Triple-Threat

Elimination By
Steve Burnside Ushiromiya Battler
Ushiromiya Battler Winner

Ame Reacts To "Armstrong Feeding Time: The Possible Whopper"[edit | edit source]

Ame
Hey cuties! It's KAngel, your full-course meal of entertainment!
Today we'll be doing something a little different.
One of my dear viewers sent me this video and asked me to react to it.
It's some really crazy stuff, this guy is trying out something innovative!
Soooooo, let's take a look at it!
Armstrong
Hey guys, today we've got something juicy. Something big for you.
Before we hit the weights for a big freakin' workout, we're doing a new release from BK.
They've got their new innovative "Possible Whopper".
Ame
Uh-huh...
Armstrong
As you can see it has a bun, some onions coming off the side here...
Looks like there's cheese here as well.
Tomato, lettuce... Yeah, big boys ain't eating that kind of stuff.
Ame
Yeah...
Armstrong
There's a patty here as well... Some mayo...
Looks very possible indeed. I like what you're doing so far, BK!
Now let's get to this...
Ame
Oh!
Actually, this reminds me...
The other day I was browsing the internet and I found just the craziest thing, you know?
Look at this!
Is this real? How did they do it?
It looks so good too... Technology is really impressive, isn't it, guys?
I'm getting hungry now...
Armstrong
Mmmmm... Getting more of a damped bite on this one...
Ame
Damped?v
Armstrong
Gotta take a sip of my milkshake for that one. Vanilla with some whipped cream.
Now, I'm not sure if I've talked with you guys about this before, but...
YouTube is diseased. Rotten to the core. My range has been shortened by Google those last few years.
Ame
So true!
Armstrong
I could be pulling in a lot more views but I've been a victim of shadowban practices rooted in corruption and evil.
I'll tell you what else is sick, though? This burger right here.
At first I thought it was way too much of a subversion on the Impossible Whopper... But you know what, it's got it's own thing going for it.
This patty's got protein for an athlete like me. And the bun gives me the energy I need for my daily routine. Putting meat and bread together is a genious move here by BK!
I would give it a nine out of ten. I'd recommend getting some fries with it, though.
Ame
Wow!
Armstrong
And if you want more tips from your favorite food expert, you know exactly what to do!
Just start by clicking that button underneath the video and feeding the big guy more likes!
Ame
...So, that was it. Interesting, huh? "The Possible Whopper"... I guess I gotta try one of those myself sometime!
Anyway, I guess that's it for today! Hoping to see you all next time!

AEW Twitch.tv Championship: Menacing Challengers[edit | edit source]

  1. Joe Merrick is #AllElite
  2. Francis York Morgan is #AllElite
  3. Peppino is #AllElite
  4. Steve is #AllElite
  5. ZOOM is #AllElite
  6. Rance is #AllElite
  7. Akasaka Mamoru is #AllElite
  8. Perc Jones is #AllElite
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Stage: AEW Arena
  • Championship: AEW Twitch.tv
  • Scaffold Ladder

📷Gallery
ZOOM Winner

"Extraction Kick Par-Tay" - Being The U.S.S. Ep. 1[edit | edit source]

Ghost
What's up, people?
Our week has been crazy so far.
Me and Vector here have been touring all over the world.
Big show yesterday at the local school gym, just after we got back from Japan.
Jetlag and everything, though, we still managed to deliver an extraction kick par-tay!
VECTOR
Mmmm, yeah. Don't wanna mess with the USS.
Ghost
The tens of people there went crazy as we took the OMW Tag Team Titles home. And this is just the beginning!
VECTOR
As the current AEW Tag Team Champions, we gotta defend the promotion's honor everywhere.
Ghost
And he means it. I mean, like, even when we were on the airport, we came across a old opponent of ours.
Guy tried making fun of us and you can guess how that ended up!
VECTOR
Bet his jaw is still sore!
Ghost
And so is my thigh.
Anyway, just wanted to thank you guys again for the support!
Also, we just heard about our opponents for tonight.
If they beat us, they get a shot at our tag titles.
VECTOR
As if they could do that not once, but twice in a row... Heh.
Ghost
But hey, look at the bright side: They'll finally have a seven star match on their resume!
VECTOR
Shoutout to you, Dave.
Ghost
Almost time for our match... I can barely contain myself. Better turn off that camera before I give it a extraction kick!
VECTOR
You can do that while sitting?
Ghost
Try me.
VECTOR
Next time you see us, we'll have made history once again!
Ghost
Until then!

  1. Champions The U.S.S.VECTOR & Ghost are #AllElite
  2. Notorious Talent RisingMajima Goro & Teddy Maxis are #AllElite
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Stage: AEW Arena
  • Contendership (Challengers Only): AEW Tag-Team Titles
  • Title Elimination
  • Tornado-Tag

📷Gallery
Elimination By
VECTOR Teddy Maxis
Notorious Talent Rising Winner

A Threat to the Very Foundation of Professional Wrestling[edit | edit source]

Nero
Sooo... What do you guys wanna talk about?
Because I'm here to talk about respect.
A wise man once said, "Respect is earned, not given".
But there are some things that we have to just naturally respect, because they're bigger than us.
Perhaps the most important of those...nIs the sacred sport of Professional Wrestling.
I would like to think that, here in AEW, we respect it more than anywhere else.
We give our professionals opportunities to show off what they can do in this ring.
But above anything else, we ask them to show respect to the sport.
And as you can see, in every match of ours, be it tonight or any other night, we perform in the way that wrestling should be performed.
And one of the most basic, one of the most ancient, even, signs of respect in this ring... Is a handshake, after two men have given their all against each other.
So, when I came out here last week, and Alucard refused to shake my hand... I felt that was very disrespectful.
Not just to me. Not just to the audience. But to wrestling itself.
And as the prodigal son of wrestling's biggest Royal Family... I can't allow that.
That's why, Alucard, I'm calling you out right now! ot for a handshake, this time around, no, but to teach you about respect!
Nero
Come on out, face me in the ring once again!
And if you have the balls... I'll even put my trios title up against you! Just find yourself two partners, and we'll do it! We'll do it tonight, even!
So what will it be? Are you really a "silent badass"... Or are you just a coward? I'm waiting!
Amakusa
From behind! It's Phillip Butters! Phillip Butters emerging from behind Nero!
John Witcher
Who is it?
Amakusa
Wrestling Megastar Phillip Butters, he's now here in AEW!
And look at JJ! JJ not far behind, emerging!
John Witcher
Phillip Butters and JJ?
Amakusa
They're looking to sow chaos here!
Those two dangerous individuals have come to AEW to be respected and acknowledged!
John Witcher
We've never seen those two before, have we?
Amakusa
They must be aligned with Alucard! And they are looking to change the landscape of this business!
John Witcher
Could they be... A threat to the very foundation of professional wrestling?

Dark Elevation[edit | edit source]

  1. Komaeda Nagito is #AllElite
  2. Eugene Chaud is #AllElite
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Stage: AEW Arena
  • Singles

Eugene Chaud Winner

AEW World Championship: World Championship Finals[edit | edit source]

  1. Arisato Minato is #AllElite
  2. Ryuki Kuruto is #AllElite
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Stage: AEW Arena
  • Championship: AEW World Title
  • Singles

Arisato Minato Winner

Arisato killed the ref and then brought out a fucking guitar to end Ryuki.

Amakusa's Announcement Shatters The Earth...[edit | edit source]

Amakusa
Great to be here tonight at AEW.
The last few weeks we made some announcements regarding the debut of AEW superstars.
On June 16th live on twitch.tv.
I'm here tonight to give a little more information about the debut of an AEW superstar.
I'm here to announce.
That the AEW episode on June 16th will feature.
...
Captain Soap.

AEW Trios Championship: Revenge for Disrespect[edit | edit source]

  1. Champions The Royal FamilyNero, Dante, Vergil are #AllElite
  2. Silent & DeadlyAlucard, Phillip Butters, J.J. are #AllElite
  • Game: WWE 2K23
  • Stage: AEW Arena
  • Championship: AEW Trios Titles
  • "We Want Tables"
  • Tornado-Tag
  • Elimination

Elimination By
JJ Dante
Dante Alucard
Phillip Butters Vergil
Alucard Nero
The Royal Family Winner

Monster Raid on the Tower of The Prince[edit | edit source]

Mizuki
I wonder what could be the reason Kiryu called me out of nowhere like that.
He said it was something urgent... And that it was about Date.
Any idea what this could be about, Aiba?
Aiba
The last memory I have of Date is from when he was drinking at a bar with Kiryu.
Afterwards, it cuts off. I don't know why, but the system might have gone offline or shut down.
Mizuki
We really can't trust Date to stay out of trouble, can we?
Kiryu
Mizuki... It's been a while.
I'd like to sit down and ask about your life, but this is very important.
Mizuki
Just tell me whose's ass I need to kick and I'll do it.
Kiryu
No... This isn't like anything you've seen before.
There's this... Creature... And it took Date away.
I can't quite describe it. It's like a being completely devoid of light. Darkness itself.
I've seen Evil Itself before. But not this...
Mizuki
What? Some kind of supernatural being?
Kiryu
I don't know any better way to describe it. It's a monster, for sure.
And that's why I can't let you go after him.
Mizuki
Come on! You know I can handle myself!
Kiryu
I do. But Date wouldn't forgive me OR himself if you ended up getting hurt.
Mizuki
But, but!
Aiba
Mizuki, listen to him. He saw it with his own eyes.
Mizuki
...Fine.
Kiryu
I felt like it was my duty to let you know what happened. And I figured you might've known a thing or two yourself, somehow...
Mizuki
Sorry, got nothing. But the least I can do is to be on the look to find out where they took him!
Kiryu
I've got a plan regarding that.
Mizuki
Hm? You know how to find him?
Kiryu
I'm afraid there's no other choice...

Joe
So, did you hear the news?
Yeah... That AEW stuff sounds lame, though. Just like modern TFR.
Wish they'd just bring back BCW.
Me too. Although I can see the charm, you know? They've got some things going for them...
Yeah.
...Wait, what's that in the distance?
Oh, that? It's just-
Intruder in the area! We have a intruder in the area!
Don't let him get inside!
Stop right there!
This is a violation of Coolsville Law!
Article 19 section 92, to be more precise.
Besides...
Stork
Hiding your face like that isn't cool, you know? Unless you're doing it for a good cause.
For example... Peeping!
But that doesn't seem to be the case, so it seems like I'll have to-
AIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Joe
My Prince... The situation is dire...
Some sort of monsters have invaded Coolsville Hills, and they're very hostile!
We haven't been able to hold them back at all! They're making their way to the top of the tower!

"The Prince of The Tower", Prince

Prince
So that's what the commotion is all about, huh?
You, tell the others about this and make your way to the helicopter. I'll hold them back.
Take as many as you can with you.
That thing will regret messing with the Prince of the Tower... He better baleeb dat.
So it's you...
Be ready. I deg-dec... deglare that by the end of this fight you'll acknowledge me!

  1. 'The Prince of the Tower' The Prince
  2. 'Our Black Friend'

Our Black Friend Winner

Prince
Argh...
At least I bought some time for some of them to get away... It's up to them to warn "him" about this...
No... There were two of you?!
Then does that mean... They didn't make it?
I guess... We really are doomed after all...